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Topic: Pain in The neck Sex Offender Charts
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stat
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posted 01-16-2008 10:39 AM
  
Hi Gang. Here is a stim test+ charts from a 2004 sex offender that confessed to aweful things after this test. He was morbidly obese, stinky like the dumpster behind Chic-Fillet, and a complete nightmare on parole. He was on drugs during the test (oxycontin) and admitted to mental countermeasures. On his blind stim test, he had chosen #6 (noted as R6) which was correctly identified. I still think about this clown.I had no countermeasure cushion for this test. I cannot find my scoresheet---it's not in his hard file, and the computer file is one of my 2 other laptops. PLEASE SCORE THESE CHARTS!!! AFMGQT MIX ISSUES STIM PG 1
 STIM PG2
CHART 1-1
CHART 1-2
CHART 2-1 
CHART 2-2 
CHART 3-1 
CHART 3-2 
P.S. At the time, I had not realized that my instrument had a default setting of a 20 second seperation between questions---which I changed at some point after this period of time. Another paired-testing examiner told me that we must have a 25 second interval between questions. [This message has been edited by stat (edited 01-16-2008).] [This message has been edited by stat (edited 01-16-2008).] IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-16-2008 11:00 AM
The 25 seconds comes from Polyscore. That's what it needs to score the charts. The CPS folks say 21 seconds - unless you have a large cardio reaction that's still going at the 21-second mark, in which case you wait, of course. (You only need 15 seconds for a POT or CIT, but I don't recall if Polyscore will rank them if you use only 15 seconds.)IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 01-16-2008 11:15 AM
See, I did not know that. Thanks Barry!I only used the Raskin CPS algorythm for stim tests. I would take an occasional curious peak to see amplitude rates, but that's about the extent of it.
....and my charts? Any takers? No tricks, traps, or pounces.
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rnelson
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posted 01-16-2008 12:38 PM
OK,I didn't get much out of those pneumos, but the rest of the data look interpretable to me. Chart 1 P 0, 0, 0
E -, +, +
C +, -, 0 Chart 2 P 0, 0, 0
E -, +, +
C +, 0, - Chart 3 (un-rotated below 4, 6, 8) P 0, 0, 0
E 0, +, +
C 0, 0, 0 R4 = 0
R6 = +2
R8 = +2 Scoring quick and dirty 3 position, left or right when possible. I found a really ugly test to post when I get a chance. Can you email me the chart data? If so, I'll score it with OSS-3.
r
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stat
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posted 01-16-2008 01:27 PM
OK boys and girls, this is why we should be doing this.....because I haven't a clue as to what Ray is talking about by requesting "data." IP: Logged |
Barry C
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posted 01-16-2008 01:36 PM
Just email him the raw charts and he can extract the real data he needs.With 3-position I get a +1, +1 and +1. With 7-position I get a +1, +3 and +2. Which RQs (if not all) did he make admissions to? R4 seems to be the most problematic - not that that means a whole lot. IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 01-16-2008 01:55 PM
I can't find the question list, but I will get it tonight after kids go to bed (laptops are stored.) He didn't make significant admissions right after that test----but when I tested him the second time 5-6 months later (monitoring test that time), he disclosed grooming a niece with cigarretes (age 16), drinking alcohol, weed, narcotics, paper porn, and masturbating to thoughts of the niece---all during the timeframe which I tested him on the above charts. So, you can see one lesson of that test (regrettably too late) is that a person can have everything wrong in his/her behavior short of bodies buried in his garden, but with a little oxy, he can appear quite calm while not looking altogether stoned. He denied TLBTLD usage and I tend to believe him as he didn't have obvious tells on the charts, and to say he is unsophisticated is like saying Buffalo New York is chilly. This guy is a big dumb impulse-driven sack of guano.[This message has been edited by stat (edited 01-16-2008).] IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 01-16-2008 02:02 PM
R4 would have probably been porn, computer/internet usage, dirty pics, masturbating while viewing nearby children (inverse peeping).
I can't remember as it was well over 1000 tests agoIP: Logged |
rnelson
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posted 01-16-2008 02:32 PM
Pictures of the data on the screen are not the data, they are just pictures of data. The data are the numbers stored by the polygraph software at the time of the test. Stoelting, like Limestone, is good about storing the data in an ascii text file, and not some silly proprietary format that prevents us from having access to our own data. Lafayette has this capability, but it is turned off by default (should be on by default). Ascii data can be entered into a spreadsheet or statistical software. Binary data cannot. stat, Look in a folder called C:\CPS\DATA or C:\CPS-II\DATA find the folder with that exam (probably has the exam number). Change the exam number if you want, and strip the examinee ID. The zip up the who folder, attach it to an email and send it along. Best zip tool available is.
http://www.7-zip.org/ OASIS/ISO documents use 7z compression, as does Micro$oft xml format office docs. 7-zip, like so much of the best software available, is open source and free. OASIS/ISO and Micro$oft, along with the governments of many countries and localities, have come to appreciate the value of ascii data and the problems of proprietary binary file formats. We have a couple of decades of computer based information, and a lot of that exists in proprietary file formats that are incompletely documented. As time goes by and software evolves, we are increasingly at risk for being unable to access our own data. Micro$oft depricates its own file formats to the point where you might have difficulty opening something produced in MSWord 2.0 only a few years ago. Ascii based open standards like OASIS and xml based formats assure that the file structure is completely documented and upgrade paths are easily available in the future. We should learn to insist from our polygraph equipment manufacturers that they provide tools that will store the data in a format that is easily accessible to researchers. Limestone and Stoelting do this, and Lafayette can do this too if you want. I'm unsure about Axciton. Would any of us think about purchasing a computer or word processor that was incompatible with any other system, and for which you couldn't save your work for some future project?
(end of rant).
Peace,
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Barry C
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posted 01-16-2008 02:49 PM
Ray,Are you extracting the data with EXTRACT, or are you copying the data from a file within the CPS polygraph file? Don't laugh, but I think it was Dr. Kircher who told me he's used "pictures of data" and converted it to data. He must have traced the tracings somehow. IP: Logged |
rnelson
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posted 01-16-2008 03:35 PM
Barry,I've heard that before, and its not surprising. Kircher was involved in computer polygraph from the beginning, when there was no other way besides digitizing the measurements from analog charts. Done carefully, the results are essentially the same. r ------------------
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blalock
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posted 01-16-2008 04:11 PM
I got R4=0, R6=0, R8=+1Ben [This message has been edited by blalock (edited 01-16-2008).] IP: Logged |
Taylor
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posted 01-16-2008 05:33 PM
I have a -1, -0, -1 I didn't score some places as it was evident he was doing CM's. His CQ reactions seem too late for the big reactions and there are a lot of small saddles on the cardio.
All though it is INC - on a Sex Offender if you have an INC.....interogate, interogate, interogate. Also on the Stim, I don't see much the response on R5 could be the anticipation of 6 around the corner. I never run a blind stim. I usually use a CVOS vs. Stim.
Thanks Eric. BTW, do you usually used the AFMGQT on your SO exams? IP: Logged |
stat
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posted 01-16-2008 08:09 PM
The stim was scored by software---and as a peak of tension type application, I agree with the call nearly 99% of the time. It's scary running blind stims at first, but over time and savvy, you learn ways of getting it right every time. The blind stim test is a wonderful psych set mechanism as TLBTLD does not address the blind stim, so theoretically, it creates great apprehension of the tests' capabilities---add to that a constant presence of thoughtful examiners at anti and you have (IMO)a better foundation for testing.No, I don't always use the AFMGQT---I accidentally wrote "MGQT"---but I meant AFMGQT. Sometimes I would run Zone variations if I needed Black Zone questions to sort of "drop cloth" when I know the Offender has too many potential behaviors to cover, ....and for the single issue I love the Utah Zone---also known as the "Latter Day Zone" lol. [no offense to my fellow LDS'ers] Thanks Ben, Donna, Barry, Ray for scoring the charts. I called an inconclusive but I recall at the time feeling that the offender---who was a denier of his offense of conviction---may have been a NDI who was just too toxic from his desperately held denials. Boy was I wrong about that clown. Trying to presuppose and overthink sex offenders can really be folly. This animal was too close to passing that test. I recall he had a new agent, a new therapist, and no one had any real insights into him when I sought info before his first polygraph test----other than his little trailor in the country was reputted to smell so bad from garbage strewn across the floor (this guy smelled) that he probably warded off people attempting to gain access to his secrets. Post your sticky charts folks. IP: Logged | |
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